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today uh our guest is my uh good friend

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lou borges or louis borges i should say

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uh it's i call him lou because i've got

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to know him a little bit here in the

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last few months and he is a researcher

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and enthusiast a man after my own heart

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that's been investigating and

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researching ufo cases especially

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obsessed with uh reading books and

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watching documentaries and trying to

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gain the knowledge of what the hell is

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actually going on so louis thank you for

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coming on the podcast today man i really

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appreciate it thanks for having me buddy

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it's a big pleasure and uh before we

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start a little credit to you because i

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know you're very humble guy you don't

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pat yourself on the back but you've done

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extremely well with this podcast from

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what i've read over 60 000 downloads

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you know there's numerous people where

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that was their number one preferred

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podcast as far as all the available

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podcasts in the world i did some math

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you're you know with the amount of

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episodes you've done and that's like 3

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600 minutes of material

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um that you've put out and edited and

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done on your own on your own will that

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you're not getting paid to do this

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you're just uh labor of love labor of

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love for sure so good on you for that

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you need uh credit where credit's due

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you've had some pretty big names on the

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show and i'm just a normal guy i'm just

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a civilian that

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did have an experience a couple you know

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a couple experiences and then you open

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your eyes you become enthusiastic you

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know seeing is believing so seems

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ridiculous a lot of the stuff that um

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some people say or

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investigate and it kind of has a bad rap

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just the whole subject in general but um

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there's a lot of stuff coming out and i

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think that's happening for a reason now

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and i'm kind of like you i'm just

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thirsting for more information it's

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it's hard to get new information when

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you're reading about stories that happen

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in the 40s yeah 51 and all that it's

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like okay that's great now what what

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what now what's happening yeah

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where is there a good source of credible

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information and credit to you your

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podcast is one of those oh thank you man

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i really do appreciate it uh yeah i know

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it's a labor of love and i like having

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people of all walks of life and research

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um you know on the podcast as well so it

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was very important for me to have you on

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uh i always ask this whenever somebody

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comes on the podcast but something sort

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of triggers

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the interest in people either at an

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early age or because of a sighting so

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what was it that triggered you

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into uh you know ufology what was it

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that did the trick for you

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well for me it was never uh i never

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really gave it much thought it was

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always kind of a fringe thing movies you

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know conspiracy

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but uh i used to work uh selling cars

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for this company that was basically a

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traveling tent sales so we'd go into a

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local town we'd have three or four

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dealerships pool their inventory and

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we'd put on a huge tent sale with 400

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cars and uh so we happened to be in fort

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something like that uh and me and one of

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hotels because none of us are from fort

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room and we came back to the parking lot

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he was having a smoke so i was hanging

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outside waiting for them and we were

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that week and said hey you guys have you

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ever seen the northern lights and we

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hadn't and they were like oh you're

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going to love it it's they're beautiful

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this time of year you know we're so far

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north they're really vivid so if you get

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a chance take a look and uh so sure

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enough that night we come back it's

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night and we're in the parking lot of

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the hotel and we look up and sure enough

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there's the northern lights these big

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green vivid belts that almost look like

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like piano keys right sort of just like

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a border in the sky so we were super

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impressed by it and so we look up and i

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kind of look straight up and arch my

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neck back and i go hey you can see the

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bottom of these things they look like

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little green led nightclub sticks and as

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if you were just looking at the bottom

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you see all these green dots oh gotcha

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totally amazed by this thing and we

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realized that now it's not just kind of

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in the distance it's literally the full

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circumference of the sky everywhere you

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this ring of these lights was completely

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around us and so the more we're talking

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about it looking at it it started to

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a concentration of green light it was

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like it was so bright that it almost

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looked like a giant ball it wasn't just

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this little strip of green lights

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anymore and so we started to kind of

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look at each other like are we losing

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our mind like what's actually going on

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that's like a had to be a 200 foot wide

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green light that you could barely look

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at and so we start thinking okay maybe

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it's our eyes playing tricks on us maybe

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it's further away or who knows so we

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our yardstick say all right that's maybe

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a hundred feet how many parking lots

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above us do you figure that is

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at first it was uh it's got to be 20

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parking lots away and the more we kept

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looking it we would you know look at the

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end of the parking lot look up in the

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sky look at the end of the parking lot

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next thing you know it's probably four

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and we freaked right out ran inside the

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hotel there was nobody at the front desk

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we were like noticeably shaking you know

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we hadn't been drinking or anything else

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we were just flat out scared of what

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the story they thought we were nuts and

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all the rest and it was until the next

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that worked locally that would happened

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and it's crazy this giant

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green mass whatever it was just you know

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appeared out of nothing basically and

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one of the sales guys said you know i

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actually believe you guys because you

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both tell the exact same story even when

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you're not around each other yeah both

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equally shaken by the experience it

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wasn't cool it wasn't like oh wow it was

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like what the hell is going on you know

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this isn't supposed to happen and ever

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since then it kind of it kind of sparked

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my brain that you know there are things

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that do go on people are not crazy it's

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that have uh random experiences with

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aliens and all the rest there's stuff we

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uh i'm more of a scientific mind so i'm

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into quantum physics and particle theory

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and all that and even at that level it

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makes sense that there's certain things

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we cannot see

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we're only picking up a little piece of

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the spectrum as far as our perception of

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life so um that you know having

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first-hand experience and then

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as of recently a couple months ago you

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and i had went through an experience

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where i was giving you a video real time

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yeah actual uap an unidentified light

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hovering in the sky you checked for

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aircraft and any other type of traffic

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in the area

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and it was nothing and i subsequently

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got video and pictures and it was

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basically just a a plasma orb and every

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close-up photo it seemed to have a

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slightly different

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image like it was moving or changing

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somehow and it sat there for 45 minutes

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and didn't move and to mention that it

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was also one of the windiest nights that

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if it was an aircraft that was flying in

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one of the most windy conditions and it

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was staying stable correct yeah right it

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wasn't a helicopter there was no pulsing

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lights it was too big for a helicopter

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where i live i have this view where i

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see lots of aircraft and ever since you

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know oh 102 i like to keep my eyes to

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the sky right and yeah you even told me

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where i live this is a hot spot you know

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keep your eyes out and i think we were

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chatting about it that day and sure

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enough i came home and i'm looking

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outside

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my wife isn't really big into this the

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whole uap phenomenon kind of freaks her

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out and i told her i said there's a

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there's a ball of light that's literally

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hovering there it's not a helicopter and

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then i called you and i gave you the

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coordinates and the direction and you

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even said that a lot of the air traffic

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was grounded because we're having a

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major wind storm oh yeah and that thing

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was large like it was huge from a

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distance you can tell that uh it had

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some some size to it yeah yeah and with

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the street lights down below being

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perfect reference you could tell it

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wasn't getting any closer any further

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away it wasn't going left to right and

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just the amount of time that it stayed

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there if it was air traffic it was

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hovering for 45 minutes right right

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yeah so you know things like that have

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kind of got me inspired and then you

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know you kind of expand your horizons

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and people that are like-minded and you

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talk with people and i encounter you and

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uh your credibility is uh precedes

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yourself so um that's kind of what's

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brought me here today so yeah i'm not

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the ufo expert i'm just a civilian

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that's had some some crazy stuff happen

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and i kind of have that thirst for

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knowledge of uh let's let's talk about

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it and let's see if anybody else has had

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similar things happen yeah and the uh

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it's the reaction afterwards you can

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tell when somebody's had something

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happen to them that's legit

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uh just because they're shaken up by it

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um i know one of the cases

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you know we

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you and i have talked about some cases

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that have happened in the past and i

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realized that i haven't really talked

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much you know except the first earlier

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episodes about incidences that took

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place with uh kenneth arnold and all

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that you know but i haven't really

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rehashed out any of the old cases so i

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like doing that and i like doing that uh

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you know especially with somebody like

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you that's been you know researching

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this stuff as avidly as i have and uh

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that's what i enjoyed the topic of it

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and even

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you know at work we got some people

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sometimes he's dropping on the

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conversation they're just like probably

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thinking what the hell are these two

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talking about but it's something that

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we're passionate about and wholly

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believe because we've seen things with

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our own eyes right yeah you've had

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experiences yourself have you not when

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you were younger you actually saw a

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craft like i was lit in the light of it

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it uh it flew right above me my brother

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and it had this perfect red light

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underneath as if it was searching the

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ground for something we just happened to

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be in its path and i just remember like

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not being able to look i was being

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doubled on my brother's bike

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and uh

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i just remember the light was so bright

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at first we couldn't even look like we

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had to squint down and i looked up

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thinking it was a transformer that blown

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up on top of one of the telephone poles

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and it wasn't i just kept looking up and

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about 80 feet above our heads is this

302
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weird cylinder shaped craft with this

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light beam coming down from it and it

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just kept gliding after it hit us with

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the light and just kept gliding and then

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went over row houses turned a little bit

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and uh went over the trees and i was

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just like that was the day that

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everything just

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they're real

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you know people have been saying that

312
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they've been taking stuff like that i

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used to watch you know and solve

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mysteries and stuff like that uh same as

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you did and you know at first you're

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like ah maybe these people are full of

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[\h__\h] but you realize you know after you

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have an experience like that that

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it is now possible that this stuff is

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actually happening right

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and it changes your mindset um one of

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the things for me and i don't know for

323
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you but i i used to be a really

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religious person

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uh obviously i felt out of my faith

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since then but um that was always a

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point of contention for me

328
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uh because i thought you know if there's

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a god and god is the only thing there is

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there can't be anything else but i kept

331
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seeing things that contradicted that and

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that pulled i wouldn't say pulled me

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away from the church but it sort of

334
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polarized it for me um you know i'm

335
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saying that i can't have both and that

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was a huge issue

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uh i don't know what that does with uh

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people that

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you know like yourself

340
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that go through experiences like that if

341
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that changes your faith does it make you

342
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more spiritual in a sense uh did it open

343
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up your eyes to you know because a lot

344
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of people go spiritual after they've had

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an experience well for me i was raised

346
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in a christian household i went to

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catholic school and i had a good

348
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experience with it i didn't have

349
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anything traumatic i know there's a lot

350
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of bad

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uh publicity and press about it

352
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really it's it's the means to get you

353
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the message what you do with it in your

354
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own life is different so i kind of had

355
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one of those experiences where you're

356
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kind of polar you know you feel

357
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polarized but it was more when i went to

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school and we were they were teaching us

359
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about

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evolution and when i came home and told

361
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my mom who went to school in like the

362
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50s and 60s she lost her mind she goes

363
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we sent you to a catholic school how

364
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dare they talk to you about evolution

365
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saying we came from monkeys and i said

366
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mom if god created everything

367
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he created the monkey so who cares if we

368
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look different a hundred million years

369
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ago than we do now that's right

370
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it doesn't refute god

371
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so the whole idea of well you know

372
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what what you've been taught is only abc

373
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and now you have all this extra

374
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peripheral info what do you do with that

375
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for me it's just a reinforcement you

376
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know i've grown to

377
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not look so much at the rules that men

378
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have written down about how you should

379
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be with god right god created you

380
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whatever god looks like whatever

381
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you know our brains can only get a

382
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glimpse of that i think and i think that

383
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you know the idea of god it's not it's

384
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not stranger than you think it's

385
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stranger than you can think

386
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right now you have to have an open

387
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humility towards that um so to answer

388
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your question it's reinforced it for me

389
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it's proven that you know potentially uh

390
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god loves so much that there's there's

391
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life everywhere why would god be so

392
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limited as to just put life on one

393
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planet and even people that have come at

394
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it with a science mind that are totally

395
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atheistic and just say no what's the

396
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probability of life in our galaxy

397
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and you know when you think that every

398
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single star that you can see

399
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has at least one planet around it so

400
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even one one millionth of a percentage

401
00:14:01,829 --> 00:13:59,040
or whatever the number is it's a whole

402
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lot of zeros it's still way more

403
00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:04,880
probable than improbable yeah it's it's

404
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nearly mathematically impossible that

405
00:14:10,710 --> 00:14:08,959
there isn't life on another planet and

406
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by some estimates you know the drake

407
00:14:16,389 --> 00:14:14,160
equation there's 50 000 life forms just

408
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in our galaxy and there's billions of

409
00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:19,199
galaxies yeah it's a much bigger problem

410
00:14:23,509 --> 00:14:21,519
than we can even compute again i think

411
00:14:25,509 --> 00:14:23,519
as humans our spectrum is limited what

412
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we can see and perceive

413
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and it's like keep it simple stupid

414
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we're not as advanced as we and if there

415
00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:33,440
is something more advanced than us um

416
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i don't think it has a malevolent uh

417
00:14:39,829 --> 00:14:37,920
opinion of things i think if you're

418
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advanced enough to come from another

419
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star system and come here if you wanted

420
00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:43,600
to enslave the planet for your own

421
00:14:49,350 --> 00:14:45,760
purpose you would yeah well there's got

422
00:14:51,829 --> 00:14:49,360
to be when you get to that level of um

423
00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:51,839
advancement it's in everything it's in

424
00:14:56,470 --> 00:14:54,240
spirituality it's in technology

425
00:14:58,870 --> 00:14:56,480
it's in how humans or or creatures

426
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interact with one another so if they've

427
00:15:03,189 --> 00:15:00,880
figured out a way not to blow themselves

428
00:15:05,350 --> 00:15:03,199
up so that they could evolve

429
00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:05,360
to be greater than we are right now you

430
00:15:08,230 --> 00:15:06,720
know so they didn't get there through

431
00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:08,240
warfare they got there through their

432
00:15:11,590 --> 00:15:09,839
minds and through

433
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through their hearts basically right so

434
00:15:15,110 --> 00:15:13,120
i think we're going to advance as a

435
00:15:16,629 --> 00:15:15,120
people we've got to get more

436
00:15:18,790 --> 00:15:16,639
more connected with ourself as a

437
00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:18,800
spiritual creature just having a human

438
00:15:24,310 --> 00:15:21,839
experience right now i often think that

439
00:15:26,629 --> 00:15:24,320
it's because of our human thinking the

440
00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:26,639
arrogance and you know i i like to say

441
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that

442
00:15:34,230 --> 00:15:32,389
we're bold in our arrogance when it

443
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comes down to like you know we are the

444
00:15:37,509 --> 00:15:36,000
top species we

445
00:15:39,670 --> 00:15:37,519
you know nothing can beat us or

446
00:15:42,069 --> 00:15:39,680
technologically advance more than us yes

447
00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:42,079
that's probably true on this planet but

448
00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:45,360
any you know uh intergalactic fairing

449
00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:47,680
you know entities they would have gotten

450
00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:49,759
past a point of violence you know you

451
00:15:53,110 --> 00:15:51,680
would have to get past that point and

452
00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:53,120
you know

453
00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:54,880
working together to be able to build

454
00:15:59,590 --> 00:15:56,800
something bigger than you know we're so

455
00:16:00,949 --> 00:15:59,600
focused on ourselves here even we launch

456
00:16:03,509 --> 00:16:00,959
rockets and stuff like that but it's all

457
00:16:04,870 --> 00:16:03,519
like guns pointing back at our own heads

458
00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:04,880
saying you know we're going to destroy

459
00:16:09,670 --> 00:16:06,720
the world if you don't cooperate and

460
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:09,680
it's so stupid because we can't progress

461
00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:12,480
fast enough with that mentality you know

462
00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:14,560
look what happens when you use resources

463
00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:16,240
collectively like there was a huge

464
00:16:21,910 --> 00:16:20,160
pandemic and in record time um they were

465
00:16:23,670 --> 00:16:21,920
able to come up with a vaccine and then

466
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:23,680
several of them now regardless of your

467
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:25,759
position on that and that's part of the

468
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:27,360
reason some people have a negative

469
00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:29,199
position because it was too fast it was

470
00:16:34,550 --> 00:16:31,600
untested but it just goes to show to

471
00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:34,560
come from no hope in sight to all of a

472
00:16:38,069 --> 00:16:36,000
sudden having a remedy and a

473
00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:38,079
preventative measure in what eight

474
00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:40,160
months is some crazy short amount of

475
00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:42,240
time so imagine if people use their

476
00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:44,720
resources collectively for good things

477
00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:46,880
but we're a money-based society there's

478
00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:48,720
no money in healthy people there's money

479
00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:50,560
in pharmaceutical care

480
00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:53,680
there's no money in relieving debt in

481
00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:55,680
countries that can do no good for you

482
00:16:59,509 --> 00:16:58,079
but there's money in military yeah and

483
00:17:01,670 --> 00:16:59,519
in that whole establishment so the

484
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:01,680
things we apportion value on

485
00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:03,440
and spend the biggest amounts of money

486
00:17:07,669 --> 00:17:05,760
on as a government don't really reflect

487
00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:07,679
what everybody wants deep down in sight

488
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:09,199
everybody wants to live in a peaceful

489
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:11,360
society everybody wants to be able to

490
00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:13,919
enjoy goods and services and not be

491
00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:15,360
stressed to death

492
00:17:19,189 --> 00:17:17,120
but we don't spend money that way and

493
00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:19,199
that's not where things are heading

494
00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:20,160
hmm

495
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:23,679
no i got a question for you i'm having

496
00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:25,280
kathleen martin on

497
00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:28,240
i think next week or the week after and

498
00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:30,559
you know i'm often talking about how i

499
00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:33,520
want to specialize in abduction cases

500
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:36,000
and work with abductees that's been my

501
00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:38,720
main focus uh i think from the start

502
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:40,799
but the threat narrative is something

503
00:17:44,549 --> 00:17:43,440
that we hear a lot you know like you

504
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:44,559
know we don't know what these things

505
00:17:49,430 --> 00:17:47,120
intentions are even somebody spoke to

506
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:49,440
recently which i shall not name yet it

507
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:51,120
you know told me well you know if

508
00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:52,640
somebody broke into your house in the

509
00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:54,080
middle of the night

510
00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:56,160
and took you or your spouse and did

511
00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:57,679
whatever they wanted to you and then put

512
00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:00,320
you back would that be illegal and i

513
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:02,480
thought yeah he goes okay so that's a

514
00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:03,440
threat

515
00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:05,360
and i thought huh i never thought about

516
00:18:08,950 --> 00:18:07,039
it like that like according to our

517
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:08,960
standards that's a threat but i mean

518
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:11,360
they always put people back and louie i

519
00:18:15,430 --> 00:18:13,200
even heard about people being tucked in

520
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:15,440
bed you know what i mean like being

521
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:17,440
brought back and tucked back in bed and

522
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:19,120
there seems to be you know it's

523
00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:21,039
traumatic at the time

524
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:22,400
but there's no threat there i mean they

525
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:24,080
could easily just send you out the

526
00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:26,000
airlock and float back into space which

527
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:27,520
i think is what we would do if we

528
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:29,440
started exploring other planets we'd be

529
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:31,120
like uh we're not going to bother

530
00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:32,720
returning a ship and returning the

531
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:34,559
person or the entity back we're just

532
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:36,559
going to launch them out their lock

533
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:38,720
but they don't do that um what is your

534
00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:40,960
thought on the threat narrative

535
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:42,960
well it it's kind of like when you have

536
00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:45,039
an ant farm as a person right if your

537
00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:47,600
ant farm dies you're probably

538
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:49,039
not going to think too much about it or

539
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:50,480
toss it so we're wired a little

540
00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:52,640
differently i think then than some of

541
00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:54,160
these

542
00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:56,240
potential entities or whatever they are

543
00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:57,840
and you know that with the betty and

544
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,160
barney hill case being so famous when

545
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:02,160
they came out and said hey something

546
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:04,559
happened we're not crazy we were taken

547
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:07,360
on something they did some random tests

548
00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:09,200
and then we were brought back like they

549
00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:12,240
risked everything their reputation

550
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:13,440
you know at the time they were an

551
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:15,440
interracial couple in an era that didn't

552
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:17,360
accept that very well they could have

553
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:19,039
just as easily kept their mouth shut and

554
00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:21,360
not told anybody about that right so it

555
00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:24,320
must have impacted them so greatly that

556
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:26,000
they felt the need to throw caution to

557
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:27,679
the wind and say let's talk about it

558
00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:30,080
even to the point now where their niece

559
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:31,760
is going to be on your show and she's

560
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:33,919
sort of carrying that torch so that they

561
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:36,640
don't just go away which is what some

562
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:39,360
agencies or some people may want you

563
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:40,880
know they may not want light to be

564
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:43,200
brought on that so right i still go back

565
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:46,799
to my original thought um if they were

566
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:49,360
if they wanted us to just dig gold for

567
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:51,039
them because that's what their son ran

568
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:53,440
off of or whatever like it would already

569
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:55,840
be that way there would be no

570
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,240
no free will you know so it's to go back

571
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,400
to the ant farm analogy you could crush

572
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,240
those ants anytime you want you could

573
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:03,919
you know melt them with a magnifying

574
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,320
glass

575
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:08,000
you want to see them do well you want to

576
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,240
see them evolve and get a bigger ant

577
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:12,720
farm what are they doing now so

578
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:14,320
whether you're religious or not if you

579
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:16,000
think it's an experiment and we were

580
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:17,200
seated here

581
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,600
okay but if you are religious that's

582
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:21,600
kind of the definition of being planted

583
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:23,679
on this planet as your scripture talks

584
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:25,840
about right many faiths have a very

585
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:28,880
similar creation story there was nothing

586
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:31,200
and then from some consciousness there

587
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,159
was a reason and a purpose for us to be

588
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,320
put here right we need it in earth it

589
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:38,400
needs to if you look at the complexity

590
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:41,280
of science and everything else it's way

591
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:42,799
above our pay grade

592
00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:45,039
so to define that is kind of it's an

593
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,640
impossible question do you know what i

594
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,480
mean yeah we're not we're not wired to

595
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:50,559
be able to describe where we came from

596
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,360
or

597
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,360
you know the the most plausible thing

598
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,360
i've heard about the whole thought of

599
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,200
are aliens real or why don't they make

600
00:21:02,070 --> 00:20:59,280
us do this or that is i heard somebody

601
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,080
say once if we figured out time travel

602
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:04,000
and let's say we're

603
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,520
you know on another planet now because

604
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:07,919
we've destroyed earth maybe we evolved

605
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:09,520
to such a way that we can no longer

606
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:11,840
reproduce maybe our dna mutated maybe

607
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:14,480
we've just polluted our genome so badly

608
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:15,679
right we have

609
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:18,159
and dna editing and stuff maybe we start

610
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:20,320
messing with that and it causes a major

611
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,440
flaw

612
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,280
uh and then at some point we can't fix

613
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:25,200
that you know what i mean so yeah plus

614
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:26,480
in the future

615
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:28,960
coming back to harvest dna or some kind

616
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:30,960
of genetic base

617
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,720
to keep ourselves going down the road i

618
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,880
know that sounds ridiculous time travel

619
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:36,960
makes sense mathematically clearly we

620
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:39,200
haven't figured out how to do it yet but

621
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:40,960
that makes the most sense to me why

622
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:42,000
would they be

623
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,720
you know gentle and benevolent with us

624
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,640
not gonna mess up what's gonna happen in

625
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:49,200
the future and b because we're that sort

626
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:52,000
of pure source we're the fountain

627
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:53,600
that they're coming back to before

628
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,159
things got really bad right it's crazy

629
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:58,400
but it's more plausible to me than

630
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,000
some you know um uh ancient species

631
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,000
that's out in space has nothing better

632
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,480
to do but come here and just fly by and

633
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:08,240
let a few people see it and then bugger

634
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,360
off i don't think

635
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,360
you'd have bigger fish to fry than just

636
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:13,919
coming here for sport yeah and but there

637
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:16,159
seems to be multiple species it's not

638
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,360
just you know because a lot of people

639
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:19,200
mentioned the greys obviously the betty

640
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:20,640
and barney hill

641
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:23,280
story uh involved the greys but

642
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:24,960
people are reporting you know different

643
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:27,919
looking things like uh praying mantis

644
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:30,080
looking creatures or taller creatures

645
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:33,919
you know nordic blondes exactly yeah but

646
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:36,159
uh it seems that the experiences or the

647
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:37,840
abductions vary

648
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,520
uh you know with the grays it seems to

649
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,679
be like you know people can like okay

650
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,600
it's not too bad right like i mean it

651
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,000
sucks but they seem to be fairly neutral

652
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:48,240
uh with the reptilians it seems to be

653
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:49,760
like it's very intimidating the whole

654
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,640
time uh it's almost like a hatred of our

655
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,320
species but they have to do whatever it

656
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:56,240
is they have to do so it's it's kind of

657
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,120
weird

658
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:59,360
and even speaking to somebody uh

659
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:01,120
recently that is

660
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:02,480
you know going to be on the podcast

661
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:04,000
later on i just can't name them yet

662
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,280
because they haven't given me permission

663
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,679
but i was talking to them and uh they

664
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,200
were mentioning you know when i said i

665
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,039
think it's multiple species doing this

666
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:12,880
it's not just one and he said you know

667
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,720
brother you're dead on

668
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,880
and i thought you know that makes sense

669
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,080
because you know you got even the

670
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:19,840
huntsville incident with like the the

671
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:22,960
pointy ears monkey looking entities that

672
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:25,120
you could shoot a point blank and it

673
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,559
didn't do anything to them they would

674
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,799
just bounce off as if it was a shield

675
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,480
i mean that sounds weird and crazy but

676
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,240
this took place in the 50s and that

677
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:35,039
family was traumatized then

678
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,880
invited the next-door neighbor to come

679
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,480
and have dinner and he was you know

680
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,640
regretting that decision as well

681
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:42,960
so obviously there's there's different

682
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,720
entities doing this i don't think that

683
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:46,559
they all have the same

684
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,679
um

685
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,919
interest in heart you know like some of

686
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,760
them might have their own agendas

687
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:53,440
uh but the betting barney hill for me

688
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:55,840
was a a huge one and it was especially

689
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,159
the details right we were talking about

690
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:00,960
um not that long ago about how betty

691
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:03,200
was in the room and then one of the

692
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:04,880
entities that was in the room with uh

693
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,279
barney came in all excitedly

694
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,520
and was talking to them and then reached

695
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:11,039
inside her mouth and started pulling on

696
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:12,080
her teeth

697
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,360
and then he asked her why aren't your

698
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:15,200
teeth coming out your husband's teeth

699
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,799
came out and she had to explain to them

700
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:19,200
what dentures were so just those little

701
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,480
details

702
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:22,080
are the ones that make the story

703
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,760
credible because who would go through

704
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:25,039
that level

705
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,760
of details within their story right for

706
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:29,279
sure yeah you're i mean people have a

707
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,559
good imagination but when when they know

708
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,760
that forensic level of information it's

709
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,520
like you really got to be hard-pressed

710
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,520
to bring it up yeah and to go back to

711
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:40,720
your point about there being different

712
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,760
species

713
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,360
let's let's go down the rabbit hole a

714
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:45,679
little further so you get into the

715
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:48,400
fringe area of like cryptids so then you

716
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,080
have things like mothman or skinwalkers

717
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,400
or you have you know these variation

718
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,480
legends even bigfoot people say you know

719
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,559
bigfoot and ufos seem to go hand in hand

720
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:01,120
seems crazy yeah your physical flesh and

721
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,159
blood

722
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,679
uh like

723
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:05,600
it's almost like it's not just the

724
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,159
universe of other planets that have life

725
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,640
it could be interdimensional energies of

726
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:13,039
things that can just come through and go

727
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,480
elsewhere like

728
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,640
i don't i don't even my brain kind of

729
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,400
gets stuck on stuff like that because

730
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,400
you keep you go further and further and

731
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,559
further down and there's no answers to

732
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,240
any of these questions right yeah and it

733
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:26,080
just gets on the borderline of okay now

734
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:28,240
you're getting a bit crazy yeah i used

735
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,679
to watch the history channel show

736
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,840
ancient aliens when it first came out

737
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,440
and some of them were kind of cool if

738
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:34,799
they were talking about like historical

739
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:37,600
artifacts or you know um places like go

740
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,240
back to tapi or you know

741
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:43,039
ball back the the jupiter all that but

742
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,320
then you'd listen to some and it was

743
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,840
like you know this must have been done

744
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,760
by aliens and i used to think okay now

745
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:49,200
you're getting weird it's time to change

746
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,960
the channel but when you go back and

747
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,480
i've since gone back and watched them

748
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,559
again some of the older episodes they're

749
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,559
just trying to point to the thought that

750
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:58,880
it's way too advanced for the time and

751
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,360
age that it is there had to be some

752
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:03,200
other part of the story you know they

753
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,960
believe in you know like panspermia

754
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,880
maybe something seeded our planet and

755
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,120
many others but that's kind of hand in

756
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,840
hand with creation stories of all right

757
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:13,520
your beliefs you know what's right

758
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,159
something said let it be and then it was

759
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,400
who knows why or or we know those are

760
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,760
stories that we all

761
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:21,760
ask our questions we ask ourselves who

762
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:24,559
am i why am i here where am i going but

763
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,520
i think it gets spookier when you try to

764
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,679
put a definition on it and say no

765
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,760
they're just grey aliens they come from

766
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:33,600
here there's been people that said

767
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,919
they've found caves and that's where the

768
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:37,760
reptilians seem to be it's almost like

769
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,799
the reptilian aliens quote unquote are

770
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:42,960
the landlocked ones on this planet that

771
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,279
are kind of hiding not coming here in

772
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,159
some other kind of craft right right

773
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,120
it's it has varying complexity above the

774
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,880
stuff that we already have no clue about

775
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:54,720
like we're just we're just nipping the

776
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:57,760
edge of it but it's a huge well and so

777
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,919
trying to guess a b or c

778
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,440
good luck your guess is as good as

779
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,440
anybody else's right right

780
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:05,360
it becomes an easy topic to say ah it's

781
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,480
all nonsense

782
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:07,919
because if you just look at it at face

783
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,480
value it kind of is but it's just when

784
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,320
you have enough nonsense there's smoke

785
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:14,480
there's fire yeah yeah so and i think

786
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,480
the whole ufo thing it's got to a point

787
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,080
now where enough people with camera

788
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:20,240
phones and there's enough credible

789
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,760
videos but there's a lot of really good

790
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,600
crappy videos too

791
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,159
either intentionally or not

792
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,919
but it's just trying to like pollute

793
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:29,600
that well a little bit you know right

794
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:33,039
make it hard to get genuine proper info

795
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:34,480
and if you know some people go to the

796
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:36,000
extreme that you know the government

797
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,640
knows they're squashing people that talk

798
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,559
you know there's what's with deathbed

799
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,120
confessions of former military officers

800
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:44,960
right you choose that as your last

801
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,520
spoken word right make some nonsense up

802
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,240
about aliens in the 70s right yeah i

803
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:51,760
give those guys a lot of credence

804
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:53,679
because they wanted that to be their

805
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,640
final legacy for some reason yeah well

806
00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:59,200
letting the public know um

807
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,600
i think we would fare better if we was

808
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,679
it's just one species you know let's see

809
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,960
had the grays

810
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,000
uh

811
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,240
and it was just them coming here i think

812
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,039
it would be a lot easier for military or

813
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,279
whatever the deep complex that know

814
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:15,600
what's going on to say hey let's start

815
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:17,919
pushing you know that uh this revelation

816
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,600
that there is a species that's

817
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,919
interacting with us like we keep looking

818
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:23,840
for life out there instead of looking

819
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:26,399
for what's possibly already found us

820
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:27,520
and

821
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:28,880
i think

822
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:30,799
the truth is is that when they reveal

823
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:33,440
that okay there's multiple

824
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,799
entities we don't know where they're

825
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,480
from we don't know what their technology

826
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:38,320
is we don't know what their intentions

827
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,039
are

828
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,840
airspace

829
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,440
some people are being taken i think

830
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,279
that's another point too about the

831
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:47,840
abduction phenomenon is that

832
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,399
you know people are being followed

833
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:52,799
and tapped and told to shut the [\h__\h] up

834
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:55,039
you know with sorry for my french there

835
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,720
but that's exactly what they're being

836
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,640
told to do over the past is that if they

837
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,720
had experiences they were

838
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,559
shut down followed

839
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:04,720
um you know threatened

840
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,520
and

841
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,520
that in of itself means that there was a

842
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,039
secret from the start that they were

843
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,960
trying to keep quiet

844
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,880
now it's starting to come out and like i

845
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:14,799
said once we accept the phenomenon that

846
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,840
ufos or uaps are here we have to now

847
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,760
accept okay the cattle mutilation as

848
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:22,000
well the abduction phenomenon as well

849
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,520
and that's all coming down the tailpipe

850
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,600
right it's all coming down

851
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,840
but it's a matter of time before the

852
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:30,320
public is able to you know like you me

853
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,360
or

854
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,919
yay you know bring it on bring the news

855
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:35,760
we're happy to hear it but some people

856
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:37,840
aren't they're so locked into the little

857
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:40,000
boxes of daily life and their little

858
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,520
corners that

859
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:43,279
it's gonna be hard and like you

860
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,480
mentioned

861
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:46,480
uh the sighting that you had sort of

862
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,919
locked you out of that you know started

863
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,520
saying holy crap

864
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:51,600
open up your mind and ideas that maybe

865
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,320
this phenomenon is real what do you

866
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,480
think of the travis walton case

867
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,880
i think that's that's another good one i

868
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,120
mean when you get abducted and you have

869
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:03,360
80 of your friends watching again the

870
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,600
same as betty and barney hill

871
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:07,600
time when this happened you run the risk

872
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,399
of

873
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:10,159
like they live in a small town everybody

874
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,360
knows everybody you don't want to

875
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:13,520
embarrass your family and your grandma

876
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:15,039
and i'm sure they had pressure from

877
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,480
their families too saying like have you

878
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:17,840
lost your mind

879
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,000
so it must have impacted them in a great

880
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,399
enough level where they're all gonna go

881
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,960
and like give testimony to the police

882
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,799
like if you lie you're plagiarizing

883
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:28,960
yourself you know like you go to jail

884
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,360
yeah for them to go out and say no this

885
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:33,440
happened and you know i've heard some of

886
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,320
the

887
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,399
police station recordings and stuff like

888
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,000
that and they're trying to twist it and

889
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,399
well are you sure you saw this

890
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,919
but i mean flat out for a guy to

891
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:43,840
disappear and then reappear

892
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,919
many many hours later

893
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:48,080
and they saw it happen i mean

894
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:49,600
you'd never know for sure unless you're

895
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:50,720
there right

896
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,440
i'm an optimistic pessimist i i don't

897
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,520
and to your point on disclosure i really

898
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,440
want it to happen do i ever think

899
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,039
they're actually going to do it i don't

900
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:01,200
know i don't think so because how do you

901
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,960
say that you have these things coming

902
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:05,200
into your airspace with impunity there's

903
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,720
not a damn thing you can do about it

904
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:08,640
like that gets real scary real fast

905
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,760
because

906
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,200
how do we know they're not they're not

907
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,840
here for that or you know and then if we

908
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,679
are going to attempt to communicate who

909
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,000
gets to speak on behalf of mankind like

910
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,880
good point you asked is it you know like

911
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:22,640
who gets a vote on this thing right it

912
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,399
just gets like i said the further down

913
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,080
the rabbit hole my brain goes the more

914
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:28,320
confusing it gets and the more

915
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:29,919
abstract you know you feel like you're

916
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:31,840
making progress you absorb all this

917
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:33,039
information

918
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:35,120
you know you do podcasts you read books

919
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,279
research you talk to people and you

920
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,120
still feel sometimes no further ahead

921
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,440
than before you even started right you

922
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,240
know yeah i think eric weinstein or

923
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,320
jordan peterson would be good candidates

924
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:48,880
to be the representative of our species

925
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:49,760
i think

926
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,240
men of you know logic and reasoning and

927
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:54,799
you know sound minds would be the best i

928
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,679
i think was it nato that started um

929
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,200
working on

930
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:01,279
you know if there is is going to be an

931
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,880
interaction there's like an actual

932
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,320
department that would take care of that

933
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,919
i'm just interested in finding out

934
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,840
exactly what their plans are well we

935
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:09,919
would have as much access to that as we

936
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,519
currently do to the un or g20 yeah yeah

937
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,360
if we think there's any more input gonna

938
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,120
be requested from the average joe i

939
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,720
think we're sadly mistaken right

940
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,480
whatever bodies they're gonna form we're

941
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,640
gonna be the same kind of hierarchy that

942
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,120
they already have yeah it's not gonna be

943
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:27,039
an average uh it's not gonna be

944
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:28,720
available to the average public you know

945
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:31,440
even like declassified documents

946
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,039
i don't know i don't

947
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,279
there's documents been classified for 50

948
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,519
years and still classified like nobody's

949
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,760
letting stuff out that doesn't they

950
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:41,360
don't want to get out yeah there's been

951
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:44,640
some slips but like the slips are from

952
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:47,120
like julian assange

953
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:48,720
yeah stuff like this is deeper than

954
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:51,279
anybody can go you know and even

955
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,799
presidents have tried to get information

956
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:54,159
to this and they were stonewalled

957
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,600
because you don't have a need to know

958
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:57,519
yeah well like who's really in charge of

959
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:58,880
this and

960
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,039
i mean why is it that

961
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,880
i just think it's because it's too scary

962
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,240
for the average person to try to

963
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:06,320
contemplate that yeah people think there

964
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,880
would be religious implications and i

965
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,880
don't know i think it's no different

966
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,640
than discovering a new insect in the

967
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,159
woods how would it matter if you

968
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,240
discovered life on another planet sure

969
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:18,640
of course it is like to me would be no

970
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,799
more strange than encountering something

971
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,960
on earth that's unknown yeah

972
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,480
but for some people

973
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,240
they're very regimented you know they

974
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,679
take scripture

975
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,919
literal to the punctuation you don't

976
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,159
change it you don't misinterpret it it

977
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,559
says this that's all it is well

978
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,399
then that means that we're only 10 000

979
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,240
years old according to ancient

980
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,840
scriptures you know

981
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,360
this is coming from a time where most

982
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:43,200
people couldn't read or write and it was

983
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:44,720
illiterate and most of these stories

984
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,159
were written hundreds of years after

985
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,320
those people lived yeah so you have to

986
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:49,919
take everything with a grain of salt is

987
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,559
it true absolutely is there a reason

988
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,159
those books have survived thousands of

989
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,480
years absolutely you don't want to miss

990
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,919
the forest because there's too many

991
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:00,000
trees in the way yeah don't get so

992
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,840
caught up in the minutia

993
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:03,840
what's actually being said and yeah

994
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:06,320
science and religion do get along you

995
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,279
know

996
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,839
uh science only discovers things that

997
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:11,599
were already there you know nobody

998
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,320
invented geometry nobody invented you

999
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:16,879
know astrology we just discovered it

1000
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,280
yeah well it's a much it's a much we

1001
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,599
just play in this sandbox we didn't make

1002
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:23,520
it and we're just trying to understand

1003
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:24,879
it so we got to have a little bit of

1004
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,280
humility with what's possible and what's

1005
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:29,919
not because how do you know nobody knows

1006
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:30,720
yeah

1007
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,960
keep thinking about the evolution of our

1008
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:36,800
species we're talking about how you know

1009
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:37,839
we'll start

1010
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,079
you know even it's happening now or the

1011
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,000
new generation aren't breeding as much

1012
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:43,919
as they used to they're not having kids

1013
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:46,000
their sexual drives is down

1014
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:48,079
uh that potentially can happen to us

1015
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,440
with everything that we're doing to

1016
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,960
ourselves uh

1017
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:52,560
you know even you're talking about uh

1018
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:54,000
being able to reproduce ourselves

1019
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,359
without actually

1020
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:57,040
having intercourse like you can actually

1021
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,720
just grab one cell from a person the

1022
00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:00,400
other and create

1023
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:02,079
a life form you're like oh what would

1024
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,520
you like your baby to have blue eyes

1025
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,760
would you like your yeah um you know i

1026
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,760
have three arms we could genetically

1027
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,240
modify that and that is dangerous

1028
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,400
grounds and i think that is something

1029
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,480
also you know you're looking at uh you

1030
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:16,079
know the grays and stuff like that a lot

1031
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:17,520
of people think maybe it's us from the

1032
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,560
futures

1033
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:20,320
uh you know the face would shrink down

1034
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,400
the head would get bigger we would need

1035
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,400
less and less muscle because

1036
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,240
if we're in space all the time you know

1037
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,839
there's uh you know we're traveling

1038
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,599
around we need to have smaller bodies

1039
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,760
right more conservative

1040
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,839
energy-saving bodies

1041
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,520
and a lot of things too when you listen

1042
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,680
to uh you know abductees there's no

1043
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,359
bathrooms in there

1044
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,800
you know there's no toilets like these

1045
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:42,079
things are traveling around space

1046
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:43,599
supposedly and they don't need to use

1047
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,800
the bathroom

1048
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,520
and uh but their ships are designed for

1049
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:49,440
abductions which is another thing that

1050
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:51,040
to me is fascinating because there's

1051
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:54,160
always a room with a table you know

1052
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,920
that's perfect length for a human like

1053
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:58,320
they're designed to come here with the

1054
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,920
tools and everything and that's

1055
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,839
something that i've always been like huh

1056
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,599
okay so it's not just like oh come

1057
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:05,839
aboard or ship and sit on the couch it's

1058
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:08,160
like they actually have an you know a

1059
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:10,000
physical medical room that they put

1060
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,599
these people in

1061
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,599
so just that is like okay that has

1062
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:15,440
something to do with us you know because

1063
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:18,160
if it was a table for any other species

1064
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,760
who knows what it would be a round table

1065
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:21,440
or something these are designed to fit

1066
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,640
our bodies

1067
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:25,119
so obviously there's an interest in us

1068
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,880
it's just you know we're trying to

1069
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:28,320
figure out what that is

1070
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,680
i think it's above our pay grant

1071
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,520
personally now one thing i want to talk

1072
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:33,359
to you about which is something that i'm

1073
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,160
passionate about is the bob lazar story

1074
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,560
because i'm a huge bob lazar uh believer

1075
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:40,880
i believe them since the start

1076
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,839
uh

1077
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,440
what are your thoughts on lazar because

1078
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,119
i read i led you in the book not that

1079
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,280
long ago uh i don't know if you finished

1080
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,800
it or not but you know quite a bit on

1081
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:51,040
the lazar story there you go i got it

1082
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:52,960
right here buddy right here

1083
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,280
again i think bob lazar pardon me i

1084
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,119
think he's one of the most

1085
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,880
for the same reasons of betty barney

1086
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:00,480
hill and travis walton and everybody

1087
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,200
else who took a big risk to say anything

1088
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,079
i mean for him to come out when he did

1089
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,160
you know initially blacked out on tv

1090
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:10,160
with a different name was it dennis or

1091
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,440
something it was dennis and the name of

1092
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:14,160
his handler yeah you know and so okay

1093
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,599
anybody could do that anybody can make

1094
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:18,240
up a story the thing that gets me and

1095
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,800
again i'm a science-minded person is

1096
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,119
how do you predict an element

1097
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,119
that was so far in the future like at

1098
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,520
the time when he said element 115 was

1099
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:29,839
the fuel of these supposed craft he was

1100
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,839
being paid to reverse engineer

1101
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,599
that periodic table of elements didn't

1102
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:35,599
go anywhere near that high and it wasn't

1103
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,640
like 115 was next in line either right i

1104
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:40,560
think it was like eight or nine ahead of

1105
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,040
where they even were a good point

1106
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,960
to predict that 20 years before it was

1107
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:46,079
discovered

1108
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,680
and then to know that you know an

1109
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,160
element with those properties would make

1110
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:52,720
a reasonable fuel for a nuclear-powered

1111
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:53,680
craft

1112
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,400
that's way too coincidental like right

1113
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:58,480
nobody's sitting here right now going

1114
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:02,079
yeah element 137 cures cancer you know

1115
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,760
and then if that were to come due you

1116
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:05,520
wouldn't say that guy was crazy you

1117
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,320
would be a genius or a savant of some

1118
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,560
kind yeah well because of the fact that

1119
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:12,960
he took such a risk and then you know by

1120
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:15,440
his own admission he had to

1121
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:17,760
reveal himself for his own protection

1122
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,359
you know when you're but you had said

1123
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,119
too you know they give them a gun and

1124
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,440
just to kind of really seal the deal of

1125
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,000
how serious a position you're in

1126
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:27,839
um you know they would go through his

1127
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:30,079
car and move things around on purpose

1128
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,920
and leave it as such because they wanted

1129
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,760
him to discover that oh yeah yeah we

1130
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:36,079
know who you are we know where you live

1131
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,680
and it's like yeah you could have

1132
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,119
somebody being mischievous you know

1133
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:41,359
there's haters and stuff and you post

1134
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,119
something online you might get somebody

1135
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,200
send you threats or whatever but it's

1136
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:47,599
not at that you know intrinsic level

1137
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,240
where you're gonna have to be worried

1138
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:52,560
for a long time and i keep in the back

1139
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,839
of my mind

1140
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,520
why would he do that he's made no

1141
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,760
benefit out of this at all he like they

1142
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:59,440
raided his lab

1143
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:02,079
by the fbi and basically destroyed his

1144
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:03,839
name he doesn't have a business or a

1145
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,160
namesake so yeah all he could do was

1146
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,640
come out for his own protection right so

1147
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:10,400
i don't see any benefit like he's not

1148
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,839
cashing in on

1149
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,520
many many many books and he's not

1150
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,680
flooding the market of hey listen to me

1151
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:17,359
i'm the alien guy

1152
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:19,359
i think he has more credible things to

1153
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,640
say about

1154
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,640
his drawings and how it worked and his

1155
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,800
information is all plausible it's not

1156
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:26,400
really out there

1157
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:28,720
and the prediction of that element 115 i

1158
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:30,560
just i think that's the

1159
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,560
that's the the feather in the cap i

1160
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:34,240
think he's the real deal for sure he put

1161
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:37,599
himself at a significant risk even going

1162
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:40,079
over this topic and blowing the whistle

1163
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:41,920
he felt important enough that it needed

1164
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,160
to come out just like guys now you know

1165
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,160
like lou elizondo government people that

1166
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,400
said i can't reveal this working for the

1167
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,320
government but somebody needs to know

1168
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:52,240
because yeah the threat level of some

1169
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:53,040
kind

1170
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,400
yeah and you know

1171
00:40:02,550 --> 00:39:58,880
the threat narrative i i don't believe

1172
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,560
in fully but like listening to lazar um

1173
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:04,720
talk about you know the basically from

1174
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,160
the start he knew that he was placing

1175
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:08,319
somebody who got killed somebody who

1176
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,040
tried to take a tool to the whatever the

1177
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,280
half basketball uh dome he was talking

1178
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:14,880
about

1179
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,839
and

1180
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,200
he knew from the start he's replacing

1181
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:19,599
somebody got killed then the russians

1182
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,960
that were working on a separate

1183
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:22,480
compartment

1184
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:25,599
in the same you know s4 facility uh went

1185
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:26,720
missing

1186
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,640
and that's when he was given the gun and

1187
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,319
i mean you got to think this guy is not

1188
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,400
this guy just built stuff you know uh

1189
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,240
built a a rocket car and stuff like i

1190
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,000
was thinking outside the box that's what

1191
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,319
he does and he's introduced to this very

1192
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,319
scary situation

1193
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,480
and you know some people might know this

1194
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,560
some people might not but his wife was

1195
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,839
actually

1196
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,839
having an affair with her flight

1197
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:49,119
instructor

1198
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,920
and

1199
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,599
he didn't know about it but the people

1200
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,520
that were following him and you know

1201
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,440
making sure he kept his mouth shut knew

1202
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,440
of it that's why he wasn't being brought

1203
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,520
into the uh you know facility because

1204
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,880
they thought oh he's gonna find out he's

1205
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,800
gonna lose his [\h__\h] let's give him some

1206
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,480
breathing space but of course they

1207
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,560
didn't communicate that with them and he

1208
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,720
thought holy [\h__\h] maybe uh my life is

1209
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:10,079
threatened here by the only people that

1210
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:11,680
i've been hired to

1211
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,960
help out

1212
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:13,920
and

1213
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:16,480
just that alone was enough for him to

1214
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:17,760
come out because he thought you know

1215
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:20,160
panic mode they're gonna [\h__\h] kill me

1216
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:22,880
and you know to stick to a story 30

1217
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,520
years later or 30 somewhat years later

1218
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,440
and still say look this is what happened

1219
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,359
i'm not changing anything i'm not adding

1220
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,359
anything to the story and things that

1221
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,200
like you mentioned even the hand scanner

1222
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:35,119
that he was talking about

1223
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,640
i mean everybody's like oh that's full

1224
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,240
of [\h__\h] and then they had a picture of

1225
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,160
it that got revealed and it was exactly

1226
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:42,079
what he was talking about like you

1227
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,440
mentioned there's all these details that

1228
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,200
are coming out now they're vindicating

1229
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:48,160
the man right uh so yeah i'm a huge bob

1230
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,000
lazar fan i'd like to have him on the

1231
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,920
podcast to tell the truth i'd like to

1232
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,440
you know have him

1233
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:56,000
talk about his book and his experience

1234
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,599
but uh yeah i was wondering what your

1235
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,280
thoughts were on him because

1236
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,359
well i mean look at who he has a couple

1237
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,119
of guys in his corner too right like

1238
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,440
george knapp was the original guy who

1239
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,000
broke the story yeah to this day he's

1240
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:10,720
still a tried and true defendant of bob

1241
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,680
lazar

1242
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,960
still willing to put his name on the

1243
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,040
books and stand up and say this guy is

1244
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,880
telling the truth he's legit right and

1245
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,720
then even jeremy corbell i think that's

1246
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,119
his name jeremy corbell yeah he's done

1247
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,880
follow-up videos as well with george

1248
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,640
knapp again it's kind of the passing of

1249
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,960
the torch but it's not just one guy

1250
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,400
willing to stake at all when you have

1251
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:30,720
other guys willing to say group me in

1252
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:33,040
with him because he's the real deal i

1253
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,319
think there's something there you know i

1254
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:36,640
think bs kind of fizzles apart really

1255
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,520
quick

1256
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,560
uh frauds are shown to be frauds pretty

1257
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,880
quick there was a whole big name

1258
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:45,440
ufo people that supposedly had a

1259
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,720
miniature ufo in mexico it was a big

1260
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,800
publicity hype and you know they had all

1261
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,319
these people show up at a theater and

1262
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:54,000
reveal it and

1263
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:55,280
you know so

1264
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:56,240
um

1265
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,680
yeah i think

1266
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,520
eventually the stuff that's not true

1267
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,599
kind of falls apart like you said 30

1268
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,680
years this guy's story is tight

1269
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,920
and you know to to even come up with

1270
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,480
that at the risk of serious trouble for

1271
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,800
yourself yeah why would you do that you

1272
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,640
know yeah and there's no money involved

1273
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,880
either like he's made zero money off of

1274
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,079
this right

1275
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,079
uh maybe a few bucks off the book but i

1276
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,079
mean he should have written a book

1277
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,400
a long time ago because it explains you

1278
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:24,560
know moment by moment what happened

1279
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,760
where i think you know he gets

1280
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,520
interviewed on joe rogan

1281
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,520
and it's just out of sequence right so

1282
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,640
you're trying to figure well how much

1283
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,240
time was he working there and you know

1284
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,480
when did this occur yeah so phonology is

1285
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,640
tough because he has so much information

1286
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,560
and he wants to give it to you at his

1287
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,760
pace

1288
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,359
he wants to get to the important stuff

1289
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,200
he doesn't want to meddle with well how

1290
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,880
many years and months did you work in

1291
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,040
this department before moving on you're

1292
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:49,119
missing the point yeah again we're

1293
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,200
talking about the few trees and we're

1294
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,440
not talking about the forest who cares

1295
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,040
what the specifics of that are and i

1296
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:57,520
mean it's 30 years ago so yeah he wants

1297
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:59,280
to get down to the nitty-gritty of it

1298
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,800
you know but i do have a question for

1299
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,640
you and i know you're you're a big bob

1300
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,560
lazar guy do you there's that you know

1301
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,119
the rumor that he had a piece of element

1302
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,000
115 or he took it what are your thoughts

1303
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:12,160
on that what do you think i think he had

1304
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,839
a little bit and the reason is um

1305
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:17,520
the one that he played with that he had

1306
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:19,760
videotaped or whatever so he did have a

1307
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,240
little bit of it because when he was uh

1308
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,640
filming the movie with uh

1309
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:26,400
uh jeremy corbell

1310
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,760
they were talking over the phone and

1311
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,040
jeremy was saying do you have the video

1312
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:31,119
of the element 115 or whatever and the

1313
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,800
next day he gets raided by the fbi yeah

1314
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,560
right so it's like they're listening

1315
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,880
into his call still you know like he's

1316
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,640
got where they was not just them

1317
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,119
realizing he was about to do an expose

1318
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,880
documentary maybe they tapped his phone

1319
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,640
lines and thought we'd better hit his

1320
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,800
you know place of business his home

1321
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,800
look for any you know uh

1322
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:52,400
manuscripts of what's about to be

1323
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:53,760
published i think they wanted to

1324
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,480
intercept what he knows a tsunami of

1325
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,880
information exactly and uh they don't

1326
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,480
know what exactly looks now you have

1327
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,319
somebody who's uh interested in doing a

1328
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:03,760
documentary on them they're talking

1329
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,319
about it over the phone so one of them

1330
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:08,640
had their phone tap for sure because for

1331
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,760
the fbi to move in that freaking quickly

1332
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,839
and you know take down his work but they

1333
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,440
were at his home as well like thinking

1334
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:17,680
you know this guy still has element 115.

1335
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,640
so

1336
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,319
yeah i think you know just those little

1337
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:21,839
incidences that are taking place with

1338
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,040
him like if he was full of baloney

1339
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,680
you know uh there wouldn't be fbi

1340
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:29,760
up his ass every time that he talks

1341
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,000
about something or you know like still

1342
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,839
30 years later they're still following

1343
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,720
him

1344
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,440
so yeah my guess is this guy's as legit

1345
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:39,760
as it gets and his story you know you

1346
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,599
talk about what it was nine crafts or

1347
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,960
something like that that they had at the

1348
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,800
time yeah um

1349
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,400
it's true and they're not all from the

1350
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,760
same species because they're all

1351
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,520
different crafts they all have different

1352
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:51,119
components and they're all

1353
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,880
trying to figure out exactly how each

1354
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:55,040
one of them operate and work

1355
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,200
and here's how specific his info was

1356
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,440
right he's not only was the first guy to

1357
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:01,680
talk about area 51 but he's talking

1358
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,480
about s4 which is an underground portion

1359
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:08,319
on this groom lake bed which the

1360
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,599
government didn't even officially

1361
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,680
acknowledge until like what 2013 or

1362
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:13,839
something like that yeah area 51

1363
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,160
actually exists before that it was a

1364
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,960
mine site for like nickel and copper you

1365
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,880
know it was a tunnel system it's on a

1366
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:22,640
salt flat and then you know lockheed

1367
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:24,160
starts testing

1368
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:26,319
spycraft you know this is cold war era

1369
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:28,720
type stuff and so for him to even bring

1370
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:31,599
up the fact that there is a base above

1371
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:34,640
ground at groom lake in this tiny little

1372
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,280
part of nevada and there's also an

1373
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:39,599
underground base that i worked at you

1374
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,359
know disassembling

1375
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:43,520
crash and coincidentally you know the

1376
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:46,640
area of 51 roswell incident is like 20

1377
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,280
years before yeah on the same spot you

1378
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:51,520
know so like it you can't be that

1379
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,560
specific and that right all the time and

1380
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:56,400
be full of it yeah

1381
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,920
he's he's either knows firsthand or

1382
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,839
he's about as close as you can get to a

1383
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,599
lot of information and imagine what he

1384
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:05,920
knows that he that he feels is too scary

1385
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,800
to talk about right you imagine yeah and

1386
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,560
he thinks that it's a great disservice

1387
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,480
to the scientific community to hold back

1388
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,119
this technology and you know who knows

1389
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:17,040
how much further that would advance us

1390
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,319
if they would just

1391
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:20,240
say hey here's some

1392
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,040
you know

1393
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,960
tech that does this or that try to

1394
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,720
figure it out but um yeah it's all

1395
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,800
secretive the other thing is too um he

1396
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,400
brought people

1397
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,960
in the middle of nowhere in a desert

1398
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:33,440
like several times at you know wednesday

1399
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:34,960
night at seven o'clock because that's

1400
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,240
when there was lease traffic on that

1401
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,400
exactly they would see the crafts fly so

1402
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,960
how did he know that at that exact spot

1403
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,800
at seven o'clock on wednesday they would

1404
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,640
see the test flight exactly right they

1405
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,800
even brought an rv and he brought his

1406
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,880
his wife and her friends like a bunch of

1407
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,880
people went out there to uh he just want

1408
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,160
to show them

1409
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,079
but he was young and dumb like he was in

1410
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,480
his you know early 20s and he wasn't

1411
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,480
thinking straight and he [\h__\h] up at

1412
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:02,400
many places he admits that

1413
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,760
like i shouldn't have done this it's so

1414
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,599
brilliant and like a lot of people with

1415
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,440
extreme intelligence they're socially

1416
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:09,680
awkward they don't yeah with conformity

1417
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:12,079
or you know workplace rules and stuff

1418
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,680
like that like this was a guy that was

1419
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:15,599
building rocket cars in his driveway as

1420
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:18,319
a kid yeah for the internet and books

1421
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:19,760
telling you how to build a rocket car

1422
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,800
your driveway right his level of uh of

1423
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,359
understanding of science and you know i

1424
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:27,599
think his profession main title was what

1425
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,119
he's like a nuclear physicist yeah yeah

1426
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,359
he understands molecules and you know

1427
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:35,599
ion exchange way better than the average

1428
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,720
joe so who better than to have

1429
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:40,400
you know in a program like that the

1430
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:41,760
government would have probably only been

1431
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,599
looking for the brightest and best and

1432
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,880
even if they were

1433
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,040
a type or difficult to handle those are

1434
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,720
the brains they need

1435
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,480
to think differently than the scientists

1436
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,559
they already have so yeah i think the

1437
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,480
crazier and the more reckless he was the

1438
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,319
more plausible he would actually be part

1439
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,640
of that rogue program but just even the

1440
00:49:01,829 --> 00:49:00,079
way that they recruited them you got to

1441
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,839
think they're still recruiting

1442
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,520
scientists that way as well like there's

1443
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:05,040
a bunch of scientists that have worked

1444
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,640
on some material that they keep their

1445
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,640
mouth shut you know non-disclosure

1446
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,200
agreements and being followed

1447
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,920
probably as equally as lazar is look at

1448
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,520
remote viewing you know the government

1449
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:17,599
openly admits that they played around

1450
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,319
with

1451
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,160
psychics who have the ability to find

1452
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,079
stuff you know there was a i forget at

1453
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,640
what time period but there was a a spy

1454
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,160
plane that went down somewhere i think

1455
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,559
it was in africa and the u.s needed or

1456
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,160
no it was a soviet plane that went down

1457
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,920
and the u.s wanted to capture it before

1458
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:33,920
the russians got to it right and they

1459
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,559
used psychic mediums and remote viewers

1460
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,880
to you know somehow travel through space

1461
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,040
and time in their mind and tell them

1462
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,880
exactly where that plane crashed so like

1463
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:44,559
how do you do that kind of stuff there's

1464
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:45,599
got to be

1465
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,359
some people can access maybe we can all

1466
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,839
access it we're just not trained or

1467
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,599
you know and then you start getting into

1468
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,599
even mysticism with meditating and

1469
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:57,599
things like that and you can go to

1470
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,319
different places yeah you have the tools

1471
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,040
you know or it's very jedi as far as i'm

1472
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:05,040
concerned well even like you know people

1473
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:06,640
saying they're experimenting with drugs

1474
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:09,280
you know dmt or you know the uh

1475
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,880
mushrooms and stuff like that like just

1476
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:12,800
that sense of self gets separated and

1477
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:14,640
you enter this whole new phase of

1478
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:15,839
thinking

1479
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:17,440
and and your brain is actually firing

1480
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:19,760
off you know new pathways into the

1481
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,720
synapses of your brain yeah so just that

1482
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,720
in of itself makes us think okay we can

1483
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:26,559
think different we can see things

1484
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,760
differently

1485
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,599
and uh you know a lot of people will say

1486
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,880
like if you and me are in the same room

1487
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,880
we're both doing the drugs

1488
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,559
after a while the sense of self goes

1489
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,240
away and it's just like i need to take

1490
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,920
care of this person like you just care

1491
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,280
even if you've never met the person i

1492
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,520
would think joe rogan was talking about

1493
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:43,680
uh some just some mexican dude that he

1494
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,960
was doing drugs with and they didn't

1495
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,800
know each other and then they ended up

1496
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,800
like just loving each other so much like

1497
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:50,720
i just respect you and like they were

1498
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,720
just like you know that completely goes

1499
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,200
away and i think yeah i think it's just

1500
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:57,359
a matter of consciousness right

1501
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,240
uh

1502
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,240
that sounds like it was some good [\h__\h]

1503
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,160
yeah well probably some really really

1504
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,160
good stuff with you

1505
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,319
what was that like an ayahuasca trip in

1506
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,720
peru or something i'm not quite sure i

1507
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,079
think he was just doing drugs at

1508
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:12,000
somebody's house or something i could

1509
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:14,079
totally see that happening though right

1510
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,839
uh but yeah there's a lot of people are

1511
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,000
talking about uh the consciousness and

1512
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:21,119
um right now we got the ce5 you know

1513
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:23,359
when people say that uh you know they're

1514
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:26,079
able to communicate with these objects

1515
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:29,160
do you think that's possible i'm super

1516
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,000
enthusiastic about that in fact i i want

1517
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,400
to somehow see if i can

1518
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,400
be you know at one of those or whatever

1519
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,319
for those who don't know a ce5 is a

1520
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,240
close encounter of the fifth kind

1521
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,960
supposedly if you meditate in a group

1522
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,119
with like-minded people

1523
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:47,920
you can cause visitations you can cause

1524
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,880
lights to appear or who knows

1525
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:52,400
and it just seems you know there's been

1526
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,400
videos taken of things kind of

1527
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,119
transitioning into and kind of fizzling

1528
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,200
out again and yeah i just think that's

1529
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:03,270
i just think that's a super intriguing

1530
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,839
idea you know and uh if things can

1531
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:07,200
travel you mentioned that you know the

1532
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:08,720
alien craft that the greys have don't

1533
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:11,280
have any bathrooms yeah if you figured

1534
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:13,280
out interstellar travel you're going

1535
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,119
faster than speed of light because even

1536
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:17,200
at speed of light if something's 50

1537
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:19,040
million light years away it's a 50

1538
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:21,839
million year one-way trip yeah but they

1539
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:23,400
would have to figure out near

1540
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:26,240
instantaneous travel so that's probably

1541
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,440
why you don't have a bathroom on your

1542
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,680
little ufo because that's probably honey

1543
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:31,359
we'll be there and back in 20 minutes

1544
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,800
and then we'll be onto something else

1545
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:34,319
you know so well even they mentioned

1546
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:35,599
like there doesn't seem to be any

1547
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,000
genitalia or anything like that to them

1548
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,559
they seem very uh you know thin and like

1549
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,480
they're designed to be almost like

1550
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:44,079
worker bees they don't need to have a

1551
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:45,359
bathroom or anything like that they

1552
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,960
don't know and maybe that's what crispr

1553
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,559
becomes you know maybe we get to the

1554
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:50,240
point of doing things that are currently

1555
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:53,440
unethical like creating subhuman species

1556
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,319
creating a military of bots or people or

1557
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:58,160
yeah who knows maybe they're the

1558
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:01,119
byproduct of you know who's in charge

1559
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,480
they come here in the little scout

1560
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:04,319
planes to do whatever

1561
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:06,079
reconnaissance they're supposed to do

1562
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:08,240
and uh you know they're not they're just

1563
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,160
part of the big picture and i've also

1564
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:12,000
heard too that maybe the universe is so

1565
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,079
teeming with life and it's at such a

1566
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,800
high level that they're just you know

1567
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:18,559
light beings they don't even have a

1568
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:19,760
physical

1569
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,559
presence so maybe the only way for us to

1570
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,240
even kind of comprehend that there's

1571
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:25,839
something else is it needs to come in

1572
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:28,079
the form of a little gray man right you

1573
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:29,760
can see them and relate to them they're

1574
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,920
kind of humanoid you know it's kind of a

1575
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:33,760
way of sending a message

1576
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:36,079
um to your ant farm that doesn't know

1577
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:37,760
anything you know

1578
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,319
the top dogs are above our pay grade in

1579
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,559
terms of contemplation yeah we wouldn't

1580
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:45,040
understand it even if we saw it so they

1581
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:46,960
use these other creatures maybe it's you

1582
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:47,599
know

1583
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:50,880
a big global uh union everybody's in

1584
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,200
and it's a very sharing and

1585
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:55,520
open thing right yeah all one big

1586
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:56,960
collective

1587
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:59,760
um you know life force maybe everybody

1588
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,839
is one in the future if we can figure

1589
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,920
out how not to blow ourselves up well

1590
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:05,599
that's probably it we're all connected

1591
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:08,240
somehow with these entities and in

1592
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:09,760
ourselves it's just the problem is with

1593
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,400
our human species is that we're prone to

1594
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,559
violence and whenever we're scared we

1595
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,400
get provoked very easily

1596
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:19,040
uh it is a huge issue with our species i

1597
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:20,480
i you know i believe that if they're

1598
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:21,760
going to try to interact with us they

1599
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:23,599
got to try to somehow

1600
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,760
figure out how not to piss us off and

1601
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:27,119
even like you know they're you know the

1602
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,720
military now like the navy saying

1603
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:30,640
they're getting these fly by by drones

1604
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:32,800
or getting these engagements with these

1605
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,520
tic tacs in the middle of nowhere uh yet

1606
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,599
they've shown absolute restraints

1607
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,599
there's no you know war above you

1608
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:41,040
there's no lordship or anything like

1609
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:43,280
that they didn't shoot anybody down they

1610
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:44,480
seem to be you know the minute that

1611
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,400
somebody tries to engage

1612
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,559
with them they just disappear

1613
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:50,480
right or their gear doesn't work all of

1614
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:52,160
a sudden they can't lock on they can't

1615
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:53,119
fire

1616
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,079
yeah

1617
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,640
launch all torpedoes it's that captain i

1618
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:58,400
can't yeah yeah exactly i mean that

1619
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,240
wasn't there that um the big incident in

1620
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,640
the u.s where all the military the uh

1621
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:04,559
the u.s military installations that had

1622
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,880
nuclear missiles they all start going

1623
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:09,119
offline and they weren't daisy chained

1624
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,359
there was no way you could shut off one

1625
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:13,440
and then all the rest yeah and it was

1626
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,520
almost just like hey if you think about

1627
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:17,200
using this

1628
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:19,760
think again you know yeah it's not gonna

1629
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,319
happen yeah but to your point about you

1630
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,720
know the um the amount of technology

1631
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,880
that that what we could do with this

1632
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:28,319
technology

1633
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,119
unfortunately the pessimist in me says

1634
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:33,280
it's just gonna get weaponized i think

1635
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:34,319
as soon as we were able to put

1636
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,760
satellites in outer space they had

1637
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,520
weapons on them yeah

1638
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,839
we we figure out how to throw a rock as

1639
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:41,760
a caveman the first thing we do is build

1640
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:43,680
a slingshot so we can kill [\h__\h] with it

1641
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,559
you know

1642
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,160
yeah i don't know if it's ingrained in

1643
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,720
who we are as a species or

1644
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:50,880
if it's just kind of like a rudimentary

1645
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,200
savagery we haven't really evolved out

1646
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:55,680
of right but i think if there is

1647
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:57,440
information it would make sense the

1648
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:59,040
government would keep it quiet because

1649
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,160
they want to use it for their own

1650
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,960
military application um and you don't

1651
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,640
want the enemy knowing that you have it

1652
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,319
you know or that it's out there and then

1653
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,319
they go looking for it and figure out a

1654
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:10,000
way to get it right from the source you

1655
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:10,799
know

1656
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,640
see my hope is is that this technology

1657
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,480
is so advanced that the russians can't

1658
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,240
break it and that the americans can't

1659
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:18,640
break it or whichever other country has

1660
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,119
that in his possessions maybe china

1661
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,440
uh that they can't break the code or

1662
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:25,440
figure out how to use this technology

1663
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:26,400
for

1664
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:27,280
war

1665
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:28,720
i mean again like you brought up a good

1666
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,280
point every time we discover anything

1667
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,280
it's originally from the military

1668
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,839
complex like it seems like we we evolved

1669
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:37,680
with war every time there's a war we

1670
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,559
evolve somehow just a little bit more

1671
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:42,480
but that might be a messed up way of

1672
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,319
evolution for our species that might not

1673
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,720
be something that's common across

1674
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:49,200
you know the other uh if there is like a

1675
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:50,960
galactic federation like that this

1676
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,680
israelian um a gentleman said there it

1677
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:55,440
was like a general or something

1678
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,440
ran a program for like 30 years for

1679
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,200
israeli space programming he comes up

1680
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,680
with that when he's 80.

1681
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:03,920
and i'm just like you know if if that is

1682
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,319
the case maybe our species is that's why

1683
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:08,160
there's a hold off with the

1684
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,760
communications because we're so freaking

1685
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:11,760
prone to violence like in in even the

1686
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,599
abduction phenomenon like how freaked

1687
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:15,119
out we are by it

1688
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:16,480
you know um

1689
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:17,200
in

1690
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,280
religious community as well um i was

1691
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,880
talking to some gentleman who wrote a

1692
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,960
book on you know the christian

1693
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,720
community being abducted and stuff like

1694
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,960
that and them trying to

1695
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,319
resolve

1696
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,079
you know with their faith like what

1697
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:31,920
exactly is this abduction thing is it a

1698
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,880
demonic thing is it you know and

1699
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:36,400
we're still on the fence we still don't

1700
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,920
know exactly what's going on so i'm

1701
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:39,599
looking forward to talking with kathleen

1702
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:42,400
because she's a lifelong experiencer she

1703
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:43,599
you know wrote

1704
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:45,680
many many books on the subject

1705
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:47,440
especially with betty and barney like

1706
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:48,880
you mentioned which is like the famous

1707
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:49,839
case

1708
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,240
i'm looking forward to hearing that like

1709
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:54,000
just what her thoughts are on these

1710
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:55,760
entities because it's changed over the

1711
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,000
years right yeah for sure yeah same

1712
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:00,400
devil at first and now seems uh pretty

1713
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:01,760
legit so

1714
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,920
uh your point about you know maybe we

1715
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:06,000
have this inherent evil if you are a

1716
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,559
spiritual or a based person

1717
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,559
if you read you know stories like sodom

1718
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,040
and gomorrah where the world was created

1719
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,040
it evolved and it evolved into just an

1720
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,680
evil horrific mass of people

1721
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,440
and it was just time to hit the reset

1722
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,680
button you know spare one or two and

1723
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,839
blow up the rest kind of thing yeah so

1724
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,760
you know and even like native american

1725
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:27,680
cultures they believe this is like the

1726
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,160
third or fourth world this is second

1727
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,000
third fourth who knows however many

1728
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:34,640
times that we've tried to do this again

1729
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:38,079
so if it is a seating of some kind it

1730
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,520
would make sense that it may not go

1731
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:41,119
right the first second third or fourth

1732
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:43,920
time maybe that we've done this before

1733
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:46,319
we've gotten to the point of having it

1734
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,960
all and then greed taking it over

1735
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,119
and uh it's very

1736
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:53,119
emblematic of you know like even the

1737
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:55,359
adam and eve story you had it all you

1738
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:57,839
got greedy and now that's caused this

1739
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:00,559
poison yeah in you through your race

1740
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,200
right so take it out of a literal sense

1741
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:05,040
maybe in a metaphysical level there's

1742
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:06,720
some truth to that maybe it's just

1743
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,799
within our human condition

1744
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:10,799
maybe there has been dna modifications

1745
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:12,960
as some people say that they've they've

1746
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:14,799
tampered us to make us more advanced to

1747
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:16,960
get there quicker yeah they know there's

1748
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,599
an expiry on our our planet or on our

1749
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:21,280
star which there is

1750
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:23,440
but um yeah it would make total sense

1751
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:25,359
that we would get to a certain point and

1752
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,119
then hopefully evolve enough to spread

1753
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,200
out and then have colonies elsewhere so

1754
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,680
that we can't just blow ourself up but

1755
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,359
uh i think they're they're here more as

1756
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,599
a concern for what we could do

1757
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:37,760
maybe if we blow up this planet it has

1758
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,520
you know grim consequences for the rest

1759
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:42,000
of the universe right well the particle

1760
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,319
theory and entanglement is you know you

1761
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:46,319
touch something here it has an effect

1762
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:48,400
somewhere else everything is connected

1763
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,359
on some level yeah the string theory

1764
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:53,040
so maybe it is a big deal that we've

1765
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:54,880
gotten to the point where we're scary

1766
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,319
and they want to keep an eye on us to

1767
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,559
make sure we don't destroy this for

1768
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:00,880
future generations right right we've

1769
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:03,200
been advanced for 150 years and we've

1770
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,200
done a lot of damage

1771
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:07,599
and cocky we're very very cocky about it

1772
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:09,760
you know and most most of the technology

1773
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,559
is all weaponry uh you know we got the

1774
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,880
technology to have cars that that run on

1775
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:16,799
electricity or you know some of them on

1776
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:18,000
water they're all squashed because

1777
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:19,680
there's no money involved

1778
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:21,520
uh but yeah you bring up some good

1779
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:25,599
points there i mean uh our species is uh

1780
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:28,079
it's unique and like i said each of us

1781
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:29,599
kind of know that their species is

1782
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:31,920
messed up in a sense so this whole

1783
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:33,920
revelation of you know if there is other

1784
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,240
entities how is the main population

1785
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:38,319
going to handle that right so that's

1786
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:39,920
that's a good point yeah when the people

1787
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,079
that have been ruling by intimidation

1788
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:44,079
and and i mean back in the day hundreds

1789
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:46,880
of years ago uh state and religion were

1790
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:49,520
one yeah the same the leader of the of

1791
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,440
the people was also the leader of the

1792
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:53,280
faith in that country you were seen as

1793
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:56,160
both so that sort of dictatorship always

1794
01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:56,960
had

1795
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:01,599
would get information and educated so

1796
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,280
there was a benefit to keeping people

1797
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:05,599
illiterate and in the dark yeah just

1798
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:08,000
tell them how it is don't worry about

1799
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:09,920
thinking for yourself we'll do that for

1800
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,920
you yeah so it's kind of more of the

1801
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:14,400
same thing too right there's the i still

1802
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:16,480
go back to what i said earlier some

1803
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:18,880
things have been classified for 50 or 60

1804
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:20,720
years and there's not coming out any

1805
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:23,119
time right yeah or whenever it yeah

1806
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:24,319
whenever they do come out they're

1807
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:26,480
redacted as hell yeah you know you get

1808
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:28,079
two lines out of the whole page it's not

1809
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:29,440
blacked out that's not really

1810
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:31,359
declassified

1811
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:33,359
good morning i hope everybody's doing

1812
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,400
okay

1813
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:36,319
don't tell the world about that blank

1814
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:39,200
blank blank sincerely yours yeah

1815
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:40,880
and by the way blank blank blank just

1816
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:43,200
ran away from the blank blank blank yeah

1817
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:46,640
exactly uh in closing here uh louis uh

1818
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:48,559
what are your thoughts on how this is

1819
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:50,000
going to go with the

1820
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:52,160
united states passing a bill you know

1821
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:55,200
and uh putting together another sort of

1822
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:56,319
i mean they seem like they're always

1823
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:57,520
putting together a new group to

1824
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:00,880
investigate uaps and ufos every other

1825
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:03,440
few years but what are your thoughts on

1826
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:05,039
you know is this going to bring any

1827
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:07,200
fruition to the community or is this

1828
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:08,799
just going to be another

1829
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:10,640
deadbeat program like what we've had in

1830
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:12,240
the past well i mean they had the

1831
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:14,079
majestic 12 and then you know the

1832
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:15,920
findings were you know nothing nothing

1833
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,839
significant and then they you know close

1834
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:19,440
that open up another department to

1835
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:21,599
handle consumer complaints and you know

1836
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:23,680
they had a thousand reports and only you

1837
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,480
know one or two they couldn't explain

1838
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:28,960
so it's like you need a customer-facing

1839
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:30,559
portion of the government you need

1840
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:32,640
someone to deal pr

1841
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:35,200
with the average joe yeah but i they're

1842
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:37,760
the real programs nobody knows well a

1843
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,000
few the ones that are in it yeah

1844
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:42,240
and to me when i look at for example lou

1845
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,000
elizondo somebody that said he was part

1846
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:46,799
of atip and now he's out of that i just

1847
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:48,400
look at it like

1848
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:49,839
with the whistleblowers they had in the

1849
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:52,000
past they figured out a way to not let

1850
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:54,640
that happen again yeah so is he actually

1851
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:57,119
a whistleblower or is he part of some

1852
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,880
kind of disclosure

1853
01:03:02,150 --> 01:03:00,640
that they maybe want to trickle feed

1854
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:02,160
some info to the people and they want it

1855
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:04,559
to come from a controllable source right

1856
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:06,640
who can very easily when asked a

1857
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:09,200
complicated or a difficult question say

1858
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:11,440
well i'm not at liberty to discuss that

1859
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:12,880
right you can use your clearance when

1860
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:14,799
you need it but you can give the people

1861
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:17,039
what they ask when you feel it's fit too

1862
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:19,200
but if they didn't want him to be around

1863
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:21,039
it would be he wouldn't be around you

1864
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:22,240
know so

1865
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:25,760
i i'm again i'm a pessimistic optimist i

1866
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:27,680
don't actually think anything will come

1867
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:30,240
of it unfortunately but i wish it would

1868
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:32,240
i wish it would be more of a

1869
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:34,079
like let's just grow up a little bit you

1870
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:35,760
know you pull most people they do

1871
01:03:39,670 --> 01:03:38,240
believe something's up right yeah but 80

1872
01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:39,680
of people already think that it's

1873
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:42,319
plausible you're not going to scare 80

1874
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:43,920
of people by giving them the info that

1875
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:46,160
hey maybe aliens are true yeah scare

1876
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:47,680
them when you say

1877
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,599
we don't know how they got here how they

1878
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:51,839
come and go and there's not a damn thing

1879
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,839
we can do about it and now that church

1880
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,599
and state gets a little bit scared

1881
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:57,440
because they're not the supreme

1882
01:04:01,829 --> 01:03:59,280
authority on the planet there's like

1883
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:01,839
something above that church and state

1884
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:04,079
yeah

1885
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:06,000
a bigger power at play that the

1886
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,839
government can't control

1887
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:09,280
uh you know because we got used with the

1888
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:10,640
government to be able to control the

1889
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:12,960
population control the fear

1890
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,760
you drop a bomb like hey absolutely at

1891
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:17,520
any point in time these things can show

1892
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,440
up take people if they want to and

1893
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:21,280
there's nothing we can do about it

1894
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:23,039
uh i think they're just trying to soften

1895
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:24,400
the blow right now like i think there's

1896
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:26,799
a lot going to be of people just trying

1897
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:30,400
to put styrofoam you know on the corners

1898
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:33,200
like can we have a baby you know you you

1899
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:34,799
proof the whole house you know make sure

1900
01:04:39,029 --> 01:04:36,960
that the baby can move around and

1901
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:39,039
discover things but won't get into

1902
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:41,280
trouble or or you know be freaked out by

1903
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:43,520
anything or get hurt so i think that's

1904
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:45,280
exactly what they're they're up to right

1905
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:47,280
now is just sort of cushioning the blow

1906
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:49,359
for people by having it more and more

1907
01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:50,880
into the media

1908
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:52,400
and you got the woke

1909
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:54,960
community now right where uh everything

1910
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:56,480
is being called out so i think there's

1911
01:05:00,789 --> 01:04:59,359
going to be a me too of ufos and

1912
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:00,799
people coming out of the woodwork saying

1913
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:02,480
hey i worked on some stuff that was

1914
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:04,160
pretty freaky and

1915
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:06,640
disclosure with a lowercase d not a

1916
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:09,599
capital d yeah yeah nick pope said that

1917
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:11,440
but to give him credit for that quote

1918
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:14,400
but absolutely it's slow disclosure it's

1919
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:16,000
not unofficial like they're not going to

1920
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:18,240
land on the white house law end yeah and

1921
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:20,079
you know have coffee with joe biden or

1922
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:22,400
donald trump right so i think it's a

1923
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:23,760
trickle effect

1924
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:24,720
at the end of the day if they didn't

1925
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:26,319
want it to be out it wouldn't be out you

1926
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:28,480
know 15 years ago there was one ufo

1927
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:31,440
documentary on tv now there's series and

1928
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:32,400
and

1929
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:34,880
multiple of them you know on every uh

1930
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:37,039
every media channel that you wanna look

1931
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:39,440
at you wanna go netflix amazon whatever

1932
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:41,200
you can find something about the uap

1933
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:44,960
phenomenon and um so definitely it's uh

1934
01:05:49,349 --> 01:05:47,039
if they didn't want anything getting out

1935
01:05:51,029 --> 01:05:49,359
it wouldn't either so yeah it is a

1936
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:51,039
trickle effect have you watched the

1937
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:53,520
phenomenon movie with your spouse yet

1938
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:56,640
um she got freaked out by e.t even when

1939
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:58,480
as a kid she really thought he was

1940
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:00,559
creepy and gross and if i even do the

1941
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:03,039
shaky long finger like yeah

1942
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:05,839
she gets right mad at me so uh my wife

1943
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:07,920
isn't into the uap phenomenon she's

1944
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:10,799
scared that if they are real

1945
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:12,640
wow what are they gonna do to us yeah

1946
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:14,319
and i keep telling her if they wanted to

1947
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:16,559
make you a slave you'd already be one

1948
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:17,280
yeah

1949
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,520
i think james fox did a fantastic movie

1950
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,440
on that and uh it changed my wife's

1951
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:23,520
perspective on the subject she used to

1952
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:25,599
be the same uh the subject creeped her

1953
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:28,000
out and uh even an experience that mean

1954
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:30,960
her had on the side of a road with three

1955
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:33,440
orbs freaked her out so much that she

1956
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:35,520
just for years never wanted to talk

1957
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:38,000
about it yes and she saw the phenomenon

1958
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:39,599
i saw a few months ago that i was

1959
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:41,760
sending you real-time video yes not with

1960
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:42,480
me

1961
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:45,119
yeah she's a she's a witnesser as well

1962
01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:47,200
but uh i bring it up she doesn't like to

1963
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,799
talk about it so well

1964
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:50,799
hopefully she listens to your podcast so

1965
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:52,720
hopefully that's your podcast i'm just a

1966
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:54,640
guest in your home so thank you for

1967
01:06:58,390 --> 01:06:56,240
letting me do that i've really enjoyed

1968
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:58,400
it it's been a lot of fun and

1969
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,319
i like to uh chat with like-minded

1970
01:07:04,870 --> 01:07:02,799
people maybe we'll do uh we'll do a tag

1971
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:04,880
team on a guest one day you know what i

1972
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:06,960
would love that um you're a great uh

1973
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:09,039
person to talk to like i said it's just

1974
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:11,200
it's i had to have you on because i had

1975
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:13,760
to have people uh know that i had

1976
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,880
discovered you in a sense yeah man it's

1977
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,480
cool to find somebody who's like-minded

1978
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:20,640
and has done his research and uh is into

1979
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:22,240
the subject as much as possible and

1980
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:24,960
that's i've been getting you know emails

1981
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,839
uh and messages from people hi tony by

1982
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:29,520
the way in australia thank you for your

1983
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:32,559
kind words i really do appreciate it uh

1984
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:34,880
but it's just good to have people

1985
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:36,799
listening to the podcast and people like

1986
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:38,880
yourselves that are just as you know

1987
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:41,520
enthused and um

1988
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:43,839
want more answers to to what's going on

1989
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:45,200
and you mentioned you would like to see

1990
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:47,119
a ship that would really solidify it for

1991
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:48,480
you like a mother ship or something like

1992
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:50,559
that i love it i'm not freaked out at

1993
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:53,039
all i'd love to go outside and just see

1994
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,000
a floating city like yeah let's go you

1995
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,160
know it uh i think it's a beautiful

1996
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:01,200
thing it's it's life at its highest

1997
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:04,079
intellectual level and uh i would be in

1998
01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:06,880
awe of such a thing so but again i'm

1999
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:09,200
optimistically pessimistic i have not

2000
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:11,599
seen any green little men haven't seen a

2001
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:13,920
ship i haven't been abducted

2002
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:15,440
i don't think i want to be abducted but

2003
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:17,359
i wouldn't mind seeing a big ship well i

2004
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:18,960
i think i would might be abducted as

2005
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:20,480
long as there's no medical procedures

2006
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:22,000
that are done you know if it was just

2007
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:23,679
but you listen to their stories there's

2008
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:25,839
some probing it's not just cletus and

2009
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:28,159
yeah oh my getting probed you gotta

2010
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:30,400
watch for the probe taking some samples

2011
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:31,839
and whatnot i guess

2012
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:34,159
yeah i'm out too probably

2013
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:36,159
i'd like to see him and ask him a few

2014
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:39,440
questions but then just go on your way

2015
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:41,120
awesome so you're going to do more into

2016
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,120
the community i'm trying to to coax you

2017
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:45,359
to uh become more active into the

2018
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:47,679
community and well you're a mufon member

2019
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:49,520
you speak very highly of them and all

2020
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:51,440
the good that they do and i might give

2021
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:53,679
that some consideration i i think you'd

2022
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,319
be a great investigator and uh i i've

2023
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,839
seen how you work on the computer and

2024
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:59,440
it's quite fast so i think you'd be

2025
01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:01,279
great at it personally thank you brother

2026
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:03,199
i appreciate you all right well thank

2027
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:04,480
you so much for joining us on the

2028
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:06,960
podcast uh i thank you for all the

2029
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:09,040
listeners for bearing with me as i took

2030
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:11,120
a break there over five months but uh we

2031
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:13,120
are back in solid and i got some great

2032
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:15,120
guests coming up so i thank everybody

2033
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,560
and all the listeners

2034
01:09:22,519 --> 01:09:18,799
and louis i appreciate your time amen